Healthy Wealthy & Wise Dr. William T. Choctaw, MD, JD

Decoding the Supernatural: A Prosecutor’s Analytical Take on Spiritual Phenomena with Bernie Brown

Dr. William Choctaw Season 1 Episode 26

Imagine if your daily interactions with the world were punctuated by the presence of supernatural phenomena. Join us as we sit down with Bernie Brown, a former prosecutor turned author, who reveals his intriguing journey of exploring personal supernatural experiences. Bernie, with his unique perspective, blends his prosecutor's analytical prowess with the compelling accounts of spiritual encounters, divine interventions, and telekinetic forces.

We dive into Bernie's latest book, 'A Prosecutor's Analysis of Personal Supernatural Experiences', a riveting collection of real-life testimonials that challenge our understanding of reality. Bernie gives us a taste of his book with a captivating story about how a lightning strike can distort our perceptions of the world. This episode is an eye-opener, pushing the boundaries of what we know about the interplay between the physical and supernatural world. Tune in for a discussion that will both educate and entertain, as we cross-examine the evidence and explore the credibility of these extraordinary accounts.

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Author A Prosecutor's Analysis of Personal Supernatural Experiences

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The Host, Dr. William Choctaw; MD, JD, is a healthcare leadership expert, possessing a Medical Doctorate from the Yale University School of Medicine, and a Jurist Doctorate from Western University. Over a span of 50 years practicing medicine, he has served as Chief of Staff, Chief of Surgery, and as a member of the medical executive committee at Citrus Valley Medical Center over a 10 year period. Also, while practicing at Citrus Valley Medical Center, he served as Chief Transformation Officer, (developed a Robust Process Improvement/Lean Six Sigma program). Dr. Choctaw lectures nationally and internationally on medical leadership issues for hospital staffs, executives, and managers. He served as a Physician Surveyor on the Joint Commission. He's the author of 2 books, "Medical Malpractice: A Physician's Guide to the Law" and "Transforming the Patient Experience: A New Paradigm for Hospital and Physician Leadership, published by the Springer Publishing Co. He’s the President of Choctaw Medical Group, Inc., a clinical practice and medical legal consulting firm for medical staff executives, physician leaders, and hospitals.

Speaker 1:

Welcome to the Healthy, wealthy and Wise podcast with Dr William Choktaugh, mdjd. Our mission is to empower you with the knowledge and the tools you need to thrive in all aspects of your life. Join us now as we discuss everything from nutrition and exercise to money management and personal growth. Dr Choktaugh will provide insightful advice on how to improve your physical and financial health, as well as your emotional and mental well-being. Whether you're looking to boost your energy levels, unlock financial freedom or cultivate a more positive mindset, we've got you covered. Get ready to become the best version of yourself, so let's get started. Here's Dr William Choktaugh, mdjd.

Speaker 2:

Good morning, welcome to the Healthy, wealthy and Wise podcast. I'm Dr William Choktaugh and I will be your host today. Each month, we strive to provide our listeners with mental, physical and spiritual strength by giving actionable advice, tips, guidance and information to help you to achieve your own personal, professional and spiritual goals. We consider the health of the mind, body and spirit paramount as a single unit that can provide a cumulative strength greater than the individual parts to strengthen the whole person. So sit back and relax. We have a very, very special guest with us today, the distinguished Bernie Brown. So welcome, bernie. What's about your book? You know, I hear that you're an author now, and so you know. Just tell us why you wrote it, what's about it and what's your experience has been.

Speaker 3:

Well, wow, this book is wow. It's got some profound stuff in it, incredible stories. It's called a prosecutor's analysis of personal supernatural experiences. Okay, that's a mouthful and it's kind of weird that a prosecutor would write a book about supernatural experiences. Is that an axiomoron or something like that, Some kind of anyway. But you know, it's got everything in it. What it's got is stories from people, personal experiences, supernatural experiences that they have had in their life. What happened was about five years ago.

Speaker 3:

After I retired, I started going around asking people wherever I went to. I'd say, have you ever had a personal supernatural experience? And most people would look at me like, ah, we got to wear it all, we don't want to talk about this. You know, this guy's crazy. He's weird because I'm asking people at restaurants, at family reunion meetings, at law bar meetings, at you know, everywhere I went, you name it. I was asking people have you ever had this experience? Right, Nine times out of 10 people would look at me like, like I said, weirdo, crazy nut. But then there would be that one person who would volunteer and usually, quite frequently, that person would say I'll talk to you later Because people are embarrassed to talk about these things.

Speaker 3:

But as I started speaking to people, we started hearing. I started hearing stories of mental telepathy, prophecy, divine intervention, spiritual encounters, telekinetic forces, healing ghosts, demons, angels, voodoo, supernet, all the whole hammers. So damn it. I started hearing all these stories and I guess your question is why did I do this? Why did I go on this? Well, because in my life I had had a couple of supernatural experiences, Experiences, and I characterize a supernatural experience as an experience that cannot be explained by current scientific analysis, Current that scientists cannot explain. Okay, Thank you. I write about these experiences in my book and I analyze them from a prosecutor's perspective.

Speaker 3:

Okay, you say, what is a prosecutor's perspective? Well, a prosecutor must analyze the evidence, analyze the testimony from witnesses and decide whether the witnesses are telling the truth. And then in the book, I decide not only are they telling the truth, but if they are telling the truth, should it constitute or does it constitute a supernatural experience? Okay, I went on doing this for quite a while and the results were shocking. You say well, why am I qualified? Like I said, that's what prosecutors do. They analyze evidence.

Speaker 3:

And at my job it was like I was the supervising attorney. While I was a supervising attorney, I was a trial lawyer who prosecuted trials with like a 95% conviction rate. And when I was a supervisor, I supervised attorneys in trial and what we have to do is, like I said, analyze the evidence, determine whether they're telling the truth and determine whether there's enough to go to trial. And I got to a point where I was like 98% accurate at predicting the jury's verdict Okay, what would the jury decide?

Speaker 3:

And when I got to that point where I could really predict their verdicts at some point, there were and this is just a side note I would occasionally tell a lawyer well, you started this trial but I don't think you could win it. And there were times when one or two attorneys came back and said I won and it was like a badge of honor in the office because I proved Bernie Brown wrong. He said I could not win this case, but anyway, that's a side issue. The important point is we apply the same analysis. I apply the same jury trial analysis to these supernatural experiences, Because if these experiences are real, if they are true, the ramifications are off. If there is any way that there is like supernatural healing, or if there is a spiritual dimension like the ones we read about in the Bible. If there are a modern day example that corroborates those experiences, then that has a profound effect upon our knowledge and awareness and consciousness of what is true and what is reality.

Speaker 2:

Okay, Well, bernie, I read your book. I read it completely, from start to finish, and I was impressed with it, and it's not what I want to tell you. But what struck me was the very novel approach that you took. Just as you said, the chapters are very short, relatively short, and you would present the evidence and then us, the reader, you would have a discussion with us in a follow-up chapter that says Bernie, and you would lay out the evidence, pro-con, and I just thought that that was. I've never read a book like that that had that format. That's what I'm saying and I think that made it interesting. It was not boring at all and I would encourage others if you want to read something a little different, something that you don't ordinarily read. Look at analysis of the personal, supernatural experiences of prosecutors from a prosecutor's perspective. I was very impressed with the book.

Speaker 3:

Well, thank you, I really appreciate that. I'd like to just give you one little hypothetical but later I'll share maybe a supernatural story, because there are so many of them in the book. But if a person is out in the wilderness one guy and a lightning strikes, okay, and he comes back and tells people lightning struck right in front of me and there's no cameras, no radar and no, nothing to support. We have nothing but his testimony and we cannot reproduce the incident. You see what he said, we can't force lightning to come back and strike there at the same location. So we have the real testimony, which is his testimony, that he saw it, and then we may have circumstantial evidence. Maybe there's a burnt tree nearby, right, or you know so in a court of law, circumstantial and real evidence isn't missable for the jury to analyze. And so we apply the same principle. Because these events occur to individuals and they're not able to, we can't replicate them. You know, I like we can go find somebody and say okay, let me give you a couple of stories. You want a couple of stories real quick? Yeah, go ahead. You want a short one or a long one? There's everything? Well, I'll give one of my own. Okay, no, I'll give one, that's not mine.

Speaker 3:

There was a lady in our office who came to me one day I'm the supervisor there. And she comes to me and she says I had a dream last night that the chief either died or almost died. This is the chief of the whole branch, right? I mean of all the. I'm the supervisor of the branch, he's the chief of all the whole thing. And she says I had a dream that he died or almost died. He was lying on the gurney and then working on him and then we're trying to revive him and I was so concerned I didn't know, you know, whether he's going to make it or not. And she said I don't know whether to tell him Now.

Speaker 3:

In the meantime he was in the office right next to me and his door was open and I can hear him in there and he's just laughing up. He's not hearing us, but he's on the phone and he's talking to somebody and he's just he's talking to her and she's looking at me saying you know, we tell him. Did I tell him? You know that what I dreamt, she said, because I've had dreams before and this one was not a regular dream, right, he says some of my dreams have come true. We saw I'm really concerned. Now she goes, so they. She decides we go to the assistant chief and we did discuss it and they decided to tell them that they're going to tell them.

Speaker 3:

So they tell them and he laughed it off. Yeah, sure, oh, ok, I feel great. There's nothing wrong with me. Thank you for telling me. Now get out of my office, basically. So to make this story a little bit shorter a couple of days later he's in the emergency room and almost died, really Right. And so when I analyze this story in the book, I analyze it from the perspective of do we believe in this case I know it happened because I know I'm telling the truth but in any event, when there's other witnesses, do we believe they are telling the truth? Do they have any monetary interest, any reason to lie? And then, secondarily, is this a super situation? Should this be characterized as a supernatural experience?

Speaker 3:

OK, not explainable, but can scientists explain how this happened? And I don't know of any scientists that can explain how this happened, but that's one. Now there's all these people who have stories about the spirit. There's people with stories, like I said, about demons, and the most frequently occurring story is a person who said that they saw a person wanting their deceased relative.

Speaker 2:

That they saw one of their deceased relatives. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3:

That's one of the most frequently occurring stories. But I started writing the book because, like I said, I had the experience. I wanted to see if there was anybody else out there having the same type of experience, whether it's just me, and so I wanted the world to know, the world to know what's going on, okay. Okay, I think scientists sometimes get into this position where, oh, we can explain everything, and everything you know is the way we say it is.

Speaker 2:

Well, I can tell you, as the scientist, we can explain everything and you know, as I said, medicine in particular is continuously growing. Continuously growing. We're learning things about viruses, we're learning things about you know people, et cetera, et cetera. Well, I want to thank you for giving us your precious time to share these words of wisdom. I think, from parenting to your book about experiences with the supernatural, I think your experience is very similar to a lot of our experiences, particularly as parents and as children.

Speaker 2:

You're clearly a person of accomplishment. Your kids and your family are all accomplished and it shows the, regardless of how one starts or where one starts, those things of exercising that brain muscle, staying positive, believing in yourself, being a good example for your kids, having confidence. You can succeed. And I think the worst thing is not to believe in yourself, to not trust, because you will always prove yourself right, is what I always like to say. That's a good point. If you climb that hill, then you can climb that hill, but if you don't believe you can climb it, you won't be able to climb that hill. And I just sort of simplified. I'm a surgeon, so I didn't think very simple, I just sort of simplified in those terms, but I think your words and your thoughts and your experience have been extraordinary. I would encourage you to do a sequel to your book, if you're not already working Okay, thank you.

Speaker 3:

Thank you, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but thank you so much and thank you for being that type of leader that transcends race. You know, that transcends all of that just people who do their job and who are very, very good at it, and and one at a stage in life, but able to share that with others. So, any final thoughts?

Speaker 3:

you, you want to just want to thank you for having me. I don't know whether people know that you're a doctor and a lawyer. You are a man of brilliant achievement and I was, so I'm so honored to have come on your show, your podcast, and been a part of it. Thank you and keep on. Keep it on, and I'm glad to hear what you're doing. I'm today, like I said, I'm feeling healthy, wealthy, and why? Because I came on your show, thank you.

Speaker 2:

Thank you. I always like to say go ahead, bernie. No, go ahead. No. I was just saying to all of you is, we always like to say be the change you want to see in the world. Wow.

Speaker 1:

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